[Trolls} Received the holy grail and are silent

NAR S&T/TMT do test them that way. What Phil is referring to is consumers modifying delays improperly, for whatever reason, and not getting the results they expected.

And how did one do that in 1994-1996? There was no TRA email list. The publication was controlled by Kelly.

In 1994 I "inherited" the Chicago prefecture when one of its founders dropped out of the hobby, and the other 2 moved out of the area. I got no membership list, no information, nothing from my predecessors. I contacted TRA HQ for help and got nothing.

So I started asking for help and advice on RMR. Strangely enough, one of the first (and few) to offer help was a prefect from the NW, Jim McLaughlin. The further in to TRA politics I got, the bigger the mess I found. And ALL communication with the membership was controlled by Kelly except for RMR.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

And he's unwilling to accept that the rest of TRA's membership doesn't agree with his definition of "better".

So does the fact that you disagree with TRA mean that TRA is "corrupt" or evil, and that people should spend all their time bitching about it like Bob and Jerry do?

I agree that thrust curves are necessary. I don't see the need for anything more detailed when it comes to delays. By law there can be up to 20 percent variation in the delays. Providing the test data won't change that fact. If you need more precision than that, you should be using electronics.

BTW, Bob has claimed that some delays on motors which were tested by NAR came out significantly different than the manufacturer's designation. If that's the case, why did NAR cert them? They should have either failed the cert, or required the manufacturer to change the designation to fit the actual performance of the delay.

They do. Phil's talking about user error, which is the most likely cause of most delay problems.

Yep.

Gee, how did the world every accomplish anything before email, Bob?

ALL communication with the membership was controlled by Kelly.

Yes, He runs the US Postal service with an iron fist.

Kaplow.. Understand that whatever you think of BK, he's been off the TRA BOD for frigging years! He does not control the communications today, and your argument always is "Someone screwed me a decade ago and therefore I don't trust anyone in that org today, even though the guy that screwed me isn't in the picture any more, and I don't know the new folks or their methods"

Kaplow.. Sit down and shut up, or atleast try to use real information from the current century! Are you still pissed at the kid down the block that stole a marble from you when you were 5? I know the answer in your case - it's "Yes"!

Nonsense. Members could come to the meetings in person, they could talk to each other at launches and in their prefectures, etc.

I am sorry, but did Bob actually say that? It appears you are quoting him. If you are not quoting him, then this is an a-hole like manouver. I mean really. What are you trying to do here? It seems like the ultimate that a jerk would try to pull off. I also find it interesting that Bob is not really replying to you, letting you wallow in your own whatever :-)

The more I think about this and consider Bob W's comments from NIRA, perhaps you should take your own advice. I never realized you had this attitude. Bad for you IMHO.

The annual membership meeting was managed by Rogers/Kelly/Blazanin to be the designated time for the LDRS raffle.

TRA HQ TRA mailing list Tripoli Report HPR magazine LDRS mailings The Ballots!!

In fact feel free to correct me. I have put a check mark where I believe BK (or his family in Orem,UT) processed these, or were supposeed to.

Year 1995 1996 1997 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 TRA HQ x x x x x x x x x x x TRA mailing list x x x x x x x x x x x Tripoli Report x x x x x x x x x x x HPR magazine x x x x x x x x x x x LDRS mailings x x x x x x x x x x x The Ballots!! x x x x x x x x x x x

Exactly

and NFPA representative (voting member of the 'rocketry caucus')

- iz

Oh yes, the "evil" raffle.

What's your point?

Point.

My concern is consumers modifying delays PROPERLY, and not getting the delay they expect, because they don't really know the starting point. THAT is why I'm looking for the TRA and CAR and a few NAR delay test results.

A couple weeks ago I emailed all 3 organizations regarding missing delay info. Both NAR and CAR responded that they will make the info available. I've had no response yet from TRA TMT.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!