The Natural Philosopher posted message IDon Thu, 24 Jun 2004 12:08:48
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Then try saying what you mean. Are you now trying to claim that we're somehow wasting 'thousands of billions'? I'll agree, as long as you're talking about failed LIEberal socialist programs like the 'War On Poverty!' Six trillion dollars, and we ended up with more poor people than we started with.
I'm already 'forking out'. My last check to the IRS would have paid off my car loan, my wife's car loan, and left enough to finance a hookers, booze, and drugs weekend to celebrate.
You make the absurd claim, you do the research. Then, you post the proof. If you think you can.
Why not just come here through google? All I did was come here through google and then set it as a favorite then you don't have to down load anything just glance at the thread titles and see which ones you want to read.
Doubt you will find a direct quote. But the SOTU address is available. It's clear that this has been turned around 180 degrees from what he said, he has also reiterated that in many press conferences. Bet you don't listen or read any of that. Just mainstream press lies.
It definately said tons of material to produce, not tons of WMD. Did you read the Kay report? Not the executive summery that Kay testified and reported to the press. Lots of info there, bet it gets to the press in October.
Secretary of State, Colin Powell in his address to the UN Security Council, FEb, 2003:
Our conservative estimate is that Iraq today has a stockpile of between 100 and 500 tons of chemical weapons agent. That is enough agent to fill 16,000 battlefield rockets. Even the low end of 100 tons of agent would enable Saddam Hussein to cause mass casualties across more than 100 square miles of territory, an area nearly five times the size of Manhattan.
21 Mar 2003 White House spokesman Ari Fleischer declares: "Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly."
How about this bunch:
Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. Dick Cheney - Speech to VFW National Convention - August 26, 2002
Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons. George W. Bush - Speech to UN General Assembly - September 12, 2002
If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world. Ari Fleischer - Press Briefing - December 2, 2002
We know for a fact that there are weapons there. Ari Fleischer - Press Briefing - January 9, 2003
Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent. George W. Bush - State of the Union Address - January 28, 2003
We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more. Colin Powell - Remarks to UN Security Council - February 5, 2003
We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have. George W. Bush - Radio Address - February 8, 2003
If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct. Colin Powell - Interview with Radio France International - February 28, 2003
So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not. Colin Powell - Remarks to UN Security Council - March 7, 2003
Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised. George W. Bush - Address to the Nation - March 17, 2003
Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes. Ari Fleisher - Press Briefing - March 21, 2003
There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them. Gen. Tommy Franks - Press Conference - March 22, 2003
I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction. Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman - Washington Post, p. A27 - March 23, 2003
One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites. Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark - Press Briefing - March 22, 2003
We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat. Donald Rumsfeld - ABC Interview - March 30, 2003
Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty. Neocon scholar Robert Kagan - Washington Post op-ed - April 9, 2003
But make no mistake -- as I said earlier -- we have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about. And we have high confidence it will be found. Ari Fleischer - Press Briefing - April 10, 2003
We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them. George W. Bush - NBC Interview - April 24, 2003
There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country. Donald Rumsfeld - Press Briefing - April 25, 2003
We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so. (yeah, until his minions plants some WMDs...) George W. Bush - Remarks to Reporters - May 3, 2003
I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now. Colin Powell - Remarks to Reporters - May 4, 2003
We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country. Donald Rumsfeld - Fox News Interview - May 4, 2003
I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program. George W. Bush - Remarks to Reporters - May 6, 2003
U.S. officials never expected that "we were going to open garages and find" weapons of mass destruction. Condoleeza Rice - Reuters Interview - May 12, 2003
I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden. Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne - Press Briefing - May
13, 2003
Before the war, there's no doubt in my mind that Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical. I expected them to be found. I still expect them to be found. Gen. Michael Hagee, Commandant of the Marine Corps - Interview with Reporters - May 21, 2003
Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction. Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff - NBC Today Show interview - May 26, 2003
Rummy equivocates on previous lies: They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer. Donald Rumsfeld - Remarks to the Council on Foreign Relations - May 27,
2003
For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on. Paul Wolfowitz - Vanity Fair interview - May 28, 2003
It was a surprise to me then - it remains a surprise to me now - that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there. Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force - Press Interview - May 30, 2003
Do I think we're going to find something? Yeah, I kind of do, because I think there's a lot of information out there." Maj. Gen. Keith Dayton, Defense Intelligence Agency - Press Conference - May
"Paul McIntosh" posted message IDon Thu, 24 Jun 2004
22:18:38 +0100
Yawn.
"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
- President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
- President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face."
- Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." S
- Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
- Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
- Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has . chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
- Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of St ate, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies."
- Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them."
- Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
- Al Gore, Sept.. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
- Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam H ussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
- Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal o f weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five y ears ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biologica l weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do" Rep.
- Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members . It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
- Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the pr oduction and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
- Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real .."
Never said it would be easy! But you know as well as I do that money has a way of making the seemingly impossible quite possible. And money is one things these terrorists seem capable of finding.
How about a 42 pound laser guided glide weapon that can take out an M-1 Abrams? What might that do at some outdoor event attended by some dignitary? And getting it there could prove easier than one might think.
Been there and done that! Got the credit card (or had it anyway). A little civil communication with the home town bank goes a long way though! So I understand your dilemma!
You can make tons of nerve gas from teh annual harvest of conkers if you have a midn to.
There is enough material to make tons of nerve gas lying around on the ground every autumn.
Ther is enough fertilizer to blow up a power station in any farm mostly.
This is totally specious. Material to make, is not the same as having, or making. Especially when the raw materials may be really destined for something completely innocent.
Its about as sneaky as arresting a farmer with 100 tons of grain for 'having the materials to make 1000 gallons of moonshine'
So, after I show that you are a LIEberal lieing to everyone around, you resort to deflection rather than taking it head on like I did. You asked for quotes and I geve them. Your response? yawn.
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