A general note:
The 'from' address will never give you the correct answer on exactly
where the spam came from. Check out the ip addy in the header and do a
reverse dns lookup followed by a tracert and more than anything you'll
find the offending host. An more than likely the offending host is a
incorrectly config'd relay host. More and more now I'm actually finding
out the host is just some goobers non-patch windows system which would
also would be a infected *zombie* pc.
At work I apply this same technique for email viruses. Then I contact
the isp(phone only) and report the ip. If the isp is worth their worth
the offending PC user gets a *greeting* from their isp and I get my mail
*clean* server back.
Sam Spade makes all this much less of a chore
As of Thursday night, Jerry has indicated to me that he will ship me one of
his Mosquito 2.2 kits (worth the same value as his Titan kit).
I wanted to update everyone on the situation. For now I will be laying this
controversy to pasture, but if I don't see anything in the next few weeks, I
will continue to hold Jerry's feet to the fire over this matter and will
either resurrect this thread or start a new one.
Before this mess started, I had no beef against Jerry Irvine and it just
perplexes me why I have gotten this kind of treatment from him when we have
neither met or have had any kind of past interaction.
Much spam has forged from addresses. You can't tell where it came from by
reading wha's int he "to" field. You have to crack the headers and reverse
translate the IP addresses. SPAMCOP.NET does this for you.
In addition to the DNSRBL, many sights reverse translate the IP address, and
reject mail if the name and address don't match. This too reduces spam, but
sometimes trips up some legitimate mail.
Just an update about my situation with Jerry Irvine/US Rockets.
Two weeks ago I finally received his Mosquito 2.2 kit in the mail. Guess
what? It was missing both centering rings! Finally about two weeks I
received in the mail both centering rings.
Last night I sent him a final e-mail thanking him for sending the rings.
But I also used the opportunity to go over again the problems I have
experienced with Jerry over the last 6 months and how that has negatively
effected me ever being a customer of his or recommending others to buy from
him. Below are the contents of that e-mail: ************************************
Got the set of centering rings in the mail yesterday. Thanks for the speedy
With that said, I have to say I am not too terribly impressed by your
overall service as a company or you as a person. Back after I originally
won that Titan kit from the Save Rocketry Now raffle, when it became evident
that you were unable to deliver on the item you had promised you should
A) Told me that you did not have it on hand
B) Give me a timetable on when you could actually provide the prize. If
you had said that it would have been, let's say, 6 months out or so and you
had promptly returned my e-mails letting me know what the situation was, I
would have been cool with that.
C) Offered me an alternative. All of a sudden out of the blue on RMR you
mentioned the possibility of me picking an alternative when you had never
mentioned that to me before.
After all the months of dicking around with you I had no choice but to
publicly put this situation on RMR... of course this created bad publicity
for you, but it was your own fault.
After taking a light hearted poke at you because of your own dealings (or I
should say lack of) with me and other rocketeers you privately e-mailed me
to "fuck off"... didn't have the balls to tell me that right on RMR itself,
huh? I have dealt with a lot of rocketeers through out the years and I
would never expect that kind of childish behavior from very few of them.
Because of this experience I have had with you, you have personally
guaranteed that I will NEVER be a paying customer of yours and that I will
sway as many people that I can NOT to buy your products. Again this was all
a very avoidable situation.
Today I got the following e-mail response from Mr. Irvine:
Didn't have that much discourtesy for you.
Thank you for your admission of trade interference. I will use it.
So Jerry first of all drags his feet for nearly half-a-year for a prize that
he promised to have available for Save Rocketry Now almost a year ago, now
he is THREATENING me because of the poor service HE has given to me.
"Trade interference" - if Jerry wants to blame anyone for "trade
interference" he only has himself to blame for causing the "inference" of
his business. His dragging his feet on doing anything, his lack of
communication, and his piss-poor treatment and attitude towards me has lost
him at least me as a potential customer and so he has created "trade
interference" all for himself. If I desire to pass my experiences with
Jerry onto anyone else deciding to buy his products, I have a First
Amendment right to express my opinion. If he wants to do anything against
me for him creating this whole situation, I have all my e-mails and his
responses as documented proof of the situation he created.
I don't have to even directly say "Don't buy from Jerry Irvine/US
rockets"... everything documented in this online thread speaks volumes of
Jerry's character and whether people should deal with his model rocketry
company or not.
No problem, I'll say it: Jerry Irvine, owner of US Rockets, is a
demonstrated and obvious crook, (in addition to being a liar and a
fraud). By his past history, with many obvious example, anyone who
conducts business with him should approach with extreme caution, if at
all. Jerry, if you need cites, just say the word...
If you want, I can post links to Jerry's civil and criminal
prosecutions ... Hi Jerry, I notice you have been 'laying low' lately,
but as soon as you come back, I have something for you ... my old
People who deal with Jerry, and KNOW his background, are just STUPID!
I am sorry you didn't heed the warnings posted on here over the last 13
years about Jerry Irvine. Matter of fact, Jerry's
rip-offs go back almost 30 years. He has stolen money from
individuals, buisnesses and organizations. He has sold defective
products. He has broken state and federal laws ... the list goes on.
We don't HATE Jerry because we are jealous of his personally preceived
'OMNIPITENSE', or his 20+ year old line of 'vapor-ware' kits, that PML
easily eclipses in design, quality, and price ratios (as an example).
We HATE Jerry because of all the bullshit, lies, and thieving he has
done to the tune of over a hundred thousand dollars that I can document
So I am sorry for your experience, but you had to learn the HARD WAY as
sooooooo many others have in the past and into the future; it won't get
any better until the day Jerry dies and then I am sure he will have a
fraud based on that!
So if you are reading this, and you have taken the time to read back
through the archives, and you ignore the obvious and deal with Jerry
Irvine, and he screws you ...tough shit. You were warned that you were
dealing with a cobra and chances are 2:1 that you are going to get bit
... tough, suck the poison out and live with it. Please don't come
posting to this group as if the sky is falling ... as one poster here
put it, its all FUN so get over it ... right Ted?
I think Jerry gets knocked around enough as it is, there's no point
in dragging him through the mud in a public forum, except to be
petty and mean. You got a bad shake, for sure, and obviously he
lost a potential customer forever. Rehashing it all here doesn't
serve any purpose though.
Actually, considering that he originally had to come here to get
anything of what he had won, it's wholly appropriate to post a follow-up
here. 1) It lets folks know that the goods WERE eventually delivered.
2) It lets folks know that rather that take the opportunity to try to
resolve a problem, jerry is more interested in swearing at people and
For those who don't believe it's true, it demonstrates a continued
pattern of behavior on the part of jerry.
Yo! Did you actually bother to READ the thread, or are you too busy
salivating at the opportunity to jump on jerry?
Richard won a prize that was donated by jerry, and had difficulty in
collecting. He had to bring it to RMR in order to get any sort of
response, and is letting folks know that he A) finally did get his prize
and B) got sworn at.
Yes I read it ... and did you notice Jerry's responce .. FUCK OFF. Now
this is a wonderfully FUN way to do business in the MR community right?
Jerry can tell his customers to FUCK OFF and the world is a fun place
to fly rockets. I hope Jerry screws all of you sucksers ... wait he
already has :)
And yes, Jerry is a tasty crook ... love taking a bite out of him every
chance I can!
Its all fun Ted, people getting ripped off ... its all fun! Why don't
you place a several hundred dollar order with Jerry, Ted? Put your
'fun' money where your mouth is :) Oh wait, its easy to state crap
from the safety of the other side of your monitor screen ... I forgot.