OT curt

We are all God^H^H^H Steve on this bus^H^H^H railcar.

Paul^H^H^H^H Steve the Other^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H Brad (my shrink can't keep up with all of the personalities)

-- The lotto must be rigged, I should have won by now. Modular furniture is cruel and unusual.

The neighbors caught him with their Fluffy?

On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 10:13:52 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and Steve Caple instead replied:

His mother was a nun. Her name was Sister Mary Effluent.

-- Ray

Well, I made that same suggestion back on the 10th of January - I just couldn't remember the idiot's name! :-)

I wrote : "I wonder if we're not seeing a return of Jerry/Spanky, or whatever the sad wanker called himself?"

But going by what Ray has posted about "curt's" location being some festering shithole in New York, perhaps we're both wide of the mark?

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:29:16 +1100, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and Mark Newton instead replied:

That was gleaned from his NNTP posting host geographical location. I can't be bothered to track it any further and as I have stated many times in the past here and elsewhere, there's no glory in "outing" someone who wants to remain private but the honest truth is that it's fun to watch him squirm. Just a little.

My experience is that if someone believes that being anonymous is a weapon and they use the "outing" of personal details of others as a weapon, then it mirrors their own fears exactly. When confronted with the fact that they really cannot remain truly anonymous and still read what is on the screen in front of them, they realize the fallacy of their beliefs. After all, the letters and spaces HAD to get there by knowing exactly where their computer is in real meat space. If the World Wide Web and Usenet know . . .

All you have to do is wait for them to post something and then trace it. You can actually trace it right back to them. I don't mean just to their ISP either. I mean right to their BIOS driven, power consuming, Web entering modem, keyboard and memory chips. Now, I don't have to even remain awake to do that tracing. I have my little slaves known as active scripts which can watch for young Curt and trap his nonsense when it comes to me. Each message sent gets me closer, and closer, and closer and closer to the boy. Eventually, I tag along with those innocent little words that he's reading and I enter into his personal domain where I can open any program he can on his own computer including his address book.

So, Curt can boast all he wants, thump his chest all he wants and make stupid and grandiose statements about how anonymous he is. Some day, his phone may ring and the next voice he hears might be mine.

Isn't that special? I'll probably tell him a joke. "Hey, Curt. This priest, a contortionist and a gunslinger walk into a bar . . ."

-- Ray

I have an admission to make. I am a fake, my real name is actually=20 Steve Caple.

wd.googlegroups.com...

Curt- Glad to see you took my advice and abandoned the trainspeeddemon account. You gave it a shot- but the 3 messages you wrote under that account quickly backfired.

I'm a little surprised to see you in here on a Sunday morning. I expected you would be spending "quality" time with the young boys at the church right now- what is up with that?

Regards- brad

Oh my god what a shocking admission.

on my suggestion

I'm sorry if I ever made it sound that the *Jepperson Identity* was my original idea. But, seeing that we were both probably in error, I'm more than willing to share the mistake. LOL (I hope.). BTW isn't it funny the way really annoying trolls seem to sound (read) alike? Thank you.

Jerry

Ok, do it.

Tracking me down is no big deal my info is all over the web so we would never know what your actual source was.

Track down Curt, send the info to 3 people on the list and let them verify it. He won't really be "outted" in the truly public sense.

Paul^H^H^H^H Steve the Other

-- The lotto must be rigged, I should have won by now. Modular furniture is cruel and unusual.

On Mon, 29 Jan 2007 00:12:41 -0000, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and snipped-for-privacy@steve.org (Steve Stevenson) instead replied:

Knock it off, bantam rooster boy. You know it can be done so just back off. I don't do that sort of thing unless I get paid. And I do mean that seriously. Pay my consulting fee and I'll hunt down your baby sister on the web. Besides, unless you happen to be Curt, you're not at all the subject of discussion. Curl back under your rock, mate.

-- Ray

Ray Haddad spake thus:

I think you're blowing a certain amount of smoke here Ray, about the certainty with which you can, as you say, "track someone down".

You claim you can locate someone by their IP address to within a small geographic area, say a city block. I say that's bullshit.

Take "curt": using one of his posting IPs, 64.12.116.71, and running it through the ARIN WHOIS database, one gets the following report:

Search results for: 64.12.116.71

OrgName: America Online, Inc. OrgID: AMERIC-158 Address: 10600 Infantry Ridge Road City: Manassas StateProv: VA PostalCode: 20109 Country: US

NetRange: 64.12.0.0 - 64.12.255.255 CIDR: 64.12.0.0/16 NetName: AOL-MTC NetHandle: NET-64-12-0-0-1 Parent: NET-64-0-0-0-0 NetType: Direct Assignment NameServer: DNS-01.NS.AOL.COM NameServer: DNS-02.NS.AOL.COM Comment: RegDate: 1999-12-13 Updated: 1999-12-16

RTechHandle: AOL-NOC-ARIN RTechName: America Online, Inc. RTechPhone: +1-703-265-4670 RTechEmail: snipped-for-privacy@aol.net

The best you can do in this case is "track him down" to a certain Zip code in Manassas, VA. You can't get any closer than that.

Notice that, since this is an AOL dialup account, the IP addresses are a block (see "NetRange"), and you can't separate one from another.

Your boasts about "tracking someone down" leave the impression that one's IP address is like a little GPS transmitter, that allows one to locate it within a few feet or so. Not true.

You can do a fair amount of locating, but it's limited, just like the oft-repeated claim, also bullshit, about how satellites can read license plate numbers from space.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 16:55:35 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and David Nebenzahl instead replied:

Nonsense. With each message, he reveals a new redirected port which can be monitored for his next message. Port monitoring software (in the form of php scripts) is not always legal (it's like wiretapping in some areas) but it will trap and trace every keystroke as he sends them. Period. No debate. If that weren't going to happen, how would he ever download his own messages to read them? Or yours? Anyone who believes that they are anonymous on the web is fooling only themselves.

-- Ray

Ray Haddad spake thus:

So now you're changing your tune and talking about port monitoring.

I know about port monitoring: one thing I can tell you is that it wouldn't work on my computer, since I have a firewall installed and active. I get messages about port scanning all the time. But perhaps it might work with "curt".

In any case, even if you do manage to capture keystroke, that doesn't allow you to geolocate the user, only to spy on what they're typing.

I realize that on-line privacy is an iffy thing, but I also realize that there are limits to what spies can find out about us, especially if we take measures to protect ourselves. (I also realize that what protections we have are being steadily eroded, but that's another rant for another day.)

Here's something: you know about Scroogle

• Not to be confused with the pron site, scroogle.com.

All I will say is "Whitmore" and "Amatury" and see if that makes you a believer ;)

Oh, and before you post, remember that only as of right now, only you and I know the significance of those words. I mean no ill-will, just proving a point.

-- Drew

Drew spake thus:

Well, I'll take your word for that, but as I'm mystified, that leaves only one person who knows what those words mean.

On Sun, 28 Jan 2007 19:03:01 -0800, I said, "Pick a card, any card" and David Nebenzahl instead replied:

Hey, bud, I didn't reveal my method until then. That's hardly changing a tune but as you can see, the joke is on you. I already traced him down to an area just east of the Hudson River in New York. More than that will be very time consuming and I don't want to do it nor would I reveal the results to anyone for any reason except law enforcement (should they request it).

It works with anyone who allows a letter or character to enter their machine from the World Wide Web. You can't firewall it because you opened the port to see what was coming in. That's the fallacy of belief that you are safe. What you CAN do is stop malicious programs from coming in but I will have located your exact location by then which is all I stated would be done.

Or receiving. How do you think those messages and e-mails get to you? Magic?

To be honest, the reality is that you have always been and will always be wide open. If you get even a single page from the web, you are exposed for that moment (or those moments) whether you believe it or not. The super security software providers would like you to believe otherwise but it just isn't so. Anytime an unrestricted page comes to you, you are exposed. An anti-virus can stop any malicious attack but if all I want to trace is the route to your computer, it's simply too late by the time you have the full screen posted on your monitor.

Interesting but maniacally paranoiac. I don't worry about who sees what I am doing. I don't do anything to concern anyone besides myself. Makes life easier.

Ok. Now you got me curious. In a few hours, my brain will no longer be able to resist it and I'll be trotting off to see that site. I hate you, man.

-- Ray

Fair enough, I just did a quickie search. I thought the Adtech angle was a good one (and I had some other guesses like "947" and "271"). Oh well :) I'm sure Ray is laughing at my weak kung-fu...

-- Drew

Ray Haddad spake thus:

I think you're wrong about that. Checking "curt"'s recent postings, all the IP addresses he's posted from map to locations in VA (Manassas, Sterling & Dulles), all AOL addresses: I'd say the location is a coin toss, depending on AOL's internal routing. But nowhere near "just east of the Hudson River in New York".

All this can be done, by the way, with software accessible to anyone over the web

Big, ominous words that remind me of those bogus Hollywood FX where law enforcement is always able to inerrantly zoom in on the bad guy's exact location on a computer screen.

So you've got Top Sekrit technology there, eh?