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Yes it was, considering the Q1 was a seen in most location on the old SR except west country...

The range of the Q1 was quite limited, seeing as it was a freight locomotive on a Region where over 80% of the revenue was from passengers, and there were only 40 made. The Q1 were mainly used on local frieght in the London area, and on cross region stuff - come the

60's its range started to expand, as older classes of frieght engine were scrapped.

John

[ re SR Q1 ]

And the SR didn't transport freight ? It's a misconception that the SR (both pre and post '48) was mainly a commuter railway. After all there were cement works and the odd coal mine within the region not mention all the farm produce house coal and general merchandise that needed moving.

As I said, over 80% of the SR's revenue came from passengers - just under 16% was from freight - and the southerns tendancy to keep various pre-grouping designs going for frieght and brnach line passenger use means there are a lot of prototypes to choose from.

Sullivan

Or painting (a kettle black in this case) or any other subtractive medium.

MBQ

My source was a model railway journalist who has close connections with Bachmann.

(kim)

[ re the SR Q1 ]

And seeing that there isn't another large SR 'freight' loco available in the RTR market that had system wide use....

There wern't any frieght locos which had system wide use! Even the S15 was a) mixed traffic, and b) usually seen on the western section! The SR kept the pre-grouping frieght stuff going until the late 50's/early

60's, and usually in their respective areas - you wouldnt have seen a C2X down past Exeter, and nor would you have seen a 700 Black Motor in Kent.

Are you trolling or just clueless, the Q1's were designed as a system wide loco, otherwise they would not have been built, and they could at various times in their careers have been seen (more or less) system wide.

It's very unlikely that a C2x would have been seen beyond the old LBSC Brighton lines, just as you wouldn't normally have seen 700 Black Motor's beyond the old LSWR lines.

So who is stopping them from ending production? There are still plenty of them in the price list, Bachmann put them there, I doubt they are selling at a loss. Keith

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The Q1's may have been DESIGNED for system wide use - that doesnt mean they were actually USED system wide. For instance, there is no recorded instance of one west of Salisbury. There wern't ANY frieght locomotives which were actually used on all parts of the SR system. Which was my point in talking about pregrouping locomotives such as the C2X or the

700 being seen outside of their normal areas.

Well MN's weren't used on the central section, are you suggesting that they should have been reproduced by Hornby etc. ?!..

The point is that the Q1's were designed to be used system wide, were used in all three sections and that 'west of Salisbury' is but a small part of the SR - as I said, it's like suggesting that the MN's shouldn't be in the Hornby range because they were never used in the old central section.

I never said the Q1 shouldnt have been produced - merely that it was an odd choice considering their limited sphere of operations. MN's were seen and used from Dover through to Exeter, albeit with no work on a small narrow central section.

Padstow was 150 miles from Salisbury - thats a lot of railway.

Apart from DCC they wear badly leaving axles loose and drive "lumpy", eldest son has a pannier tank that waddles (like a duck!) due to the wear.

IIRC it was stated as being due to the potential for interference with TV and radio signals caused by the split chassis design used by Bachmann - presuambly caused by the picking up electricity off axles lying in slots rather than through an axle bush

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Customers. There is still a demand for the ex-Mainline models.

There is but a single example of a Jubilee, a Scot and a re-built Scott, split-chassis LMS-types to which my original argument referred. The Patriot was quietly dropped last year with litle protest. There is a big differnece between 'still making a profit' and 'making the same return as on more modern chassis types'. The tooling which Bachmann inherited is wearing out and in need of replacement. If there is insufficient demand for these particular types, they will not be replaced with updated versions.

(kim)

Since the EMC regulations are already in force, which is why you see all those capacitors on the motors, they have either fixed the problem or they are selling them illegally. I don't see any reason why the split chassis should generate any more interference than the newer design. It is a poor design in several other ways though as have already been mentioned but it must be selling or they wpould not keep ordering more from the factory. Keith

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So the initial remark was wrong, Bachmann are not anxious to end production, rather they are happy to carry on producing as long as they can squeeze a bit more profit out of the old tooling. If they were anxious to end it they would end it. Keith

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"Badger" wrote

Many were like that to start with.

John.