Bachmann 2006

You are joking! For example, much of our steel industry is owned by a EU based holding, our motor industry is either owned by EU based companies or is based in this country with much of the production being shipped to mainland Europe, much of the White and Brown goods industry that is based here sends the bulk of it's output to mainland Europe.

That would be when we still had an Empire and could tell them to buy products made in the 'Mother Land'...

perhaps let

Catching what exactly, or should they all steam off to Icelantic waters and fish their Cod again?..

Take you rose tinted goggles off and find a clue!

":::Jerry::::" wrote in news:43e78709$0$64394$ snipped-for-privacy@authen.yellow.readfreenews.net:

I rather think you make my point for me, European companies = profits back to Europe, cash lost from teh UK economy not availble for investment etc.

Nevertheless as a proportion of our total export trade the exports to Europe are a near insignificant fraction. It makes no difference though, as we are a net importer from Europe it is to the benefit to Europe to encourage free trade with the UK, to do otherwise would hurt them more than us.

Not in the late 50s, 60s and into the 70s, the "Empire" effectively came to an end in 1948. We still managed to trade quite happily with the world. "We've never had it so good" and all that ... of course the effects of post war socialism then started to kick in ...

Whatever's there, keep the Spanish, French, Germans, Dutch and the rest of them out of our waters and Bob's your uncle, enough fish stocks to keep our own fishermen (and fish trade generally) in business whilst at teh same time allowing stocks to recover.

Rose tinted?

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profits back

investment etc.

But pull out of the EU and all that goes over the channel, both EU owned companies and (for example) Japanese owned companies such as Honda, Toyota etc. - and we haven't even started on the White Goods... You make MY point very nicely, pull out of the EU and we have sod all, we are back to the early days of Thatcher, a broken country with mega unemployment and nothing but closed factories...

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But we don't export to the EU, it's a single market...

It makes no difference though, as

Oh no it wouldn't, remember that the EU is expanding, just think about all those fresh markets in the east opening up, why would anyone need to bother with the little old United Kingdom who has decided to jump ship?...

Err no, even counties that had become independent were still very much in the Commonwealth.

We still managed to trade quite happily with the world.

Yes, when we had an Empire, wake up, this is 2006 not 1906...

There are no friging fish anymore, the old USSR took then all with their factory ships whilst your darling Maggie looked on and said NO! NO! NO! to those in the EU who were attempting to sort things out.

I see you skip past the facts that don't fit your (ignorant) hypothesis

Nah, on second thoughts you are so blind to fact you must be Stevie Wonder - I claim my 5 Euros!

Oh yes, this country is a world leader in banking, the problem is, that industry only employs a fraction of the population - were does the other (required) 90 percent of employment come from, we can't all work in the 'service' sector.

Oh, I see! Well, no wonder your search round the shops was fruitless. Solder is a manufactured metal thingy. It's not any kind of fruit at all. Surely you knew that?

It would be like trying to buy a banana in a model railway shop. Fruitless

I hope this is helping!

Cheers, Steve

I can answer that. "Nowhere" is the answer. Your future is in the organ banks for the benefit of Labour and EU politicians. Why else do you suppose we keep the dear old NHS afloat?

Muslims and East Europeans are OK for the slave, I mean cheap, labour, but when it comes to getting some new bits, only good old British organs will do.

You don't think I'm being a bit too optimistic here? I mean, it could be worse - we could all end up in the cat food factory. A hundred-odd years ago, no-one could conceive of a future where Great Britain wouldn't be end to end horses. In fact, the politicians were in a panic about coping with the horse dung which was scientifically forecast to cover the whole of the UK mainland 20-feet deep by the middle of the 20th century. Didn't turn out to be a problem in the end, though.

Funny how things never quite work out as we are led to expect.

Cheers, Steve

(P.S. Can I have your liver, please?)

I should have said....

. In fact, the politicians were in a panic about coping with the horse dung which was scientifically forecast to cover the whole of the UK mainland

On the other hand, the horses aren't around to complain about the outcome, so we must suppose they didn't mind a bit.

Funny how things never quite work out as we are led to expect.

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Cheers, Steve

I'm curious Jerry, in what way did pre-1964 Britain resemble present day North Korea?

(kim)

The UK currently has a total trade deficit of £83billion per year with the rest of the EU. Britain's withdrawal would result in them going bankrupt, not Britain.

(kim)

Which is a good reason for withdrawing since then politicians (and business leaders) would be forced to take responsibility for their own actions and not be able to blame the EU.

(kim)

As I remember it there were a great many more goods manufactured in the UK before it joined the EU than there are now.

Only on paper. If you watch the BBC documentary about the Whirlpool company you will see that in spite of there being no legal restrictions, the company is forced to make seven distinct ranges of white goods to satisfy consumer demand within the 12-member EU alone. That came as a shock to the new American owners who assumed they could just make one range for the whole of "Yew-Rope" and make huge economies of scale.

(kim)

Here is a specific example. I had a business partner by the name of Paul Thompson who was chief DVD salesman for the Frank Harvey company. This was in the early days when only a very few retail outlets in the UK stocked DVD. He became hugely successful. Then a firm called "Music Box" opened a kiosk in town selling DVD's below the price at which Paul could even buy them. Paul complained to the distributor (Warner Bros) who assured him that Music Box was paying exactly the same for their DVD's as he was being charged. Frank Harvey eventually abandoned its DVD retail operation and Paul quit the business in disgust. Music Box subsequently went bankrupt owing Warner Bros millions of pounds for unpaid invoices. I suspect Customs & Excise is also owed millions in unpaid VAT. None of that could have happened if Warner Bros were able to control at which their products are resold. The reason I survived is that I refused to have any dealings with Warner Bros.

I'm not saying they can. What I am saying is that it is hypocritical to compare resale price maintenance with the regime in North Korea and then happily purchase products from its biggest communist ally.

(kim)

Anyone applying for a *new* job with a major retail organisation is asked to sign a contract agreeing to work Sundays, evenings and bank holidays for the normal hourly rate. This has been true for some years and now covers the majority of employees. Existing employees who refused to sign new contracts had their routine pay rises frozen. There was the notorious case of of Superfi in Manchester where none of the staff 'volunteered' to work Sundays and head office simply closed the branch as being 'uneconomic' and dismissed all the staff. There wasn't a thing they could do about it. This was in spite of Tony Blair's solemn vow that no-one would be "forced" to work Sundays at the time when the new legislation was passed.

(kim)

I'm not alowed to. What's your excuse?

Yes:-

When did you last shop for food?

Not so. Tesco's fortunes have fluctuated wildly over the years. Whenever they've faced real competition they have suffered badly. An example is when the Co-Op started giving dividend stamps in competition with Green Shield. Many city centre branches folded and had to be sold to rivals Sainsbury's. Tesco's strategy now is to eliminate the competition as soon as they move into an area.

Anyone who has actually run a business is in a far better position to comment on the subject. Tesco's executives would love to have themargin on sales and return on capital that I enjoy.

In 1964 the UK had a huge manufacturing sector. Today it has hardly any. It also had a significant farming and fishing industry. Britain's traditional way of life has been eroded since 1964. City centres have become ghost towns with the building of out-of-town shopping centres. Suburbs and village communities have been destroyed by the closure of post offices and grocer's shops. Local councils now have to employ teams of social workers to shop and collect pensions on behalf of elderly and infirm citizens. The taxpayer will be left to pick up the tab from the ending of final salary pension schemes. I fail to see how any of that is a "good thing". There's much more about the adverse affects of present day economics on everyday life here

So along with your other failings you're a racist as well then Jerry?

Wrong, as I have said before, I work for a major retail organisation (FTSE 100 company) as a manager, and hae had experience in recruitment for the organisation. Our contracts do not contain any such thing. Thats because it would be illegal to do so.

This has been true for some years and now covers the

Not heard about that case, but it would be a way around the legislation. This was in

Tony Blair wasn't PM when the legislation was passed. It was done in

But that doesn't mean that either a) being a member of the EU destroyed our indigenous manufacturing or b) that leaving the EU would magically restore them.

Where's the evidence that it was deliberate company policy to make him bankrupt on the part of Tesco?

What benefit do think a consumer gets from making their suppliers bankrupt. Where are they going to get future supplies? The only way it works is if there is over supply in a particular sector, in which case some suppliers are on borrowed time anyway.

It's well known that large companies are notorious for not paying quickly, it's not something peculiar to Tesco or the retail sector. Anyone doing business with such a company has to realise and plan accordingly.

MBQ

So what we need is more control by the banks rather than lending to a business such as Music Box with such a dodgy business plan, and stiffer penalties for directors of such bankrupt businesses.

All price control does is guarantee to kill competition (rather than give people a fighting chance) and drive prices *up* to the detriment of the comsumer.

MBQ