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Wally,

No, it does not.

Kevin

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But it doesn't! "Should" is meaningless and irrelevant. You're no different than any other crook, trying vainly to justify the unjustifiable. "I shouldn't have to work for a living, 'cause rich folks don't." "I should be able to shoplift, 'cause the stores are run by evil corporations." "I should be able to rob banks, 'cause the money's insured." Etc, etc.

I don't favor either, and yes, it is very relevant to what money is and what it is not. Come on you sheep, look outside of your fence! Read Modern Money Mechanics at

Kevin

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No stealing is never OK, whether you shoplift at the grocer or the bank creates and uses money in your name.

Kevin

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Ray,

Thank you for reminding me why I stopped reading rmr long ago. :-)

Kevin

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That's one heck of a massive link... Can we make a deal? If I spend the time to read through all of that and explain to you why it is wrong, will you have a dialog on the topic? So far you have not engaged any of the factual threads here...

I know that you feel under attack form the RMR crowd, but we are all just trying to save the best rocketry vendor in the northeast from further debt or, possibly worse!

--Jim

I'm sorry Ray, I find your "logic" irrational.

Kevin

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These scriptures refer to people rejecting the word of God, NOT the lies of hucksters. You ought to know better than that. Misusing the bible in an attempt to whitewash theft and fraud is wrong -- as Phil said, you're giving Christians a bad name.

I'm a Christian myself and although I take my beliefs very seriously, I'll be the first to admit that I'm not always the best example of Christianity. As anyone here can testify, I can be a real jerk sometimes. I deeply regret that, and it's something I strive to avoid.

You're not being persecuted for your religious beliefs, you're betraying them. Using scripture the way you've done just makes it worse.

You've been mislead by charletans and have fallen for a lie. Maybe you've gotten in over your head financially, and have let your anger at credit institutions cloud your judgement. Please, listen and rethink your position on this.

No they're not! The bank has paid the merchant for something YOU received, and the bank get's nothing in return until you repay them.

What difference does it make how the bank paid YOUR debt?

You charged the card up.

You took product from merchants.

The BANK paid your merchants.

You seem to think that a bank is creating money when they pay your debt off. WRONG! The bank is just working on credit. If everyone tried to pull their money out of the bank at the same time, they could not pay it out! They could NOT just send everyone a check for the amount they are owed. If banks were able to make money out of nothing like you imply then they could just pay everyone off. They cannot, they are working on credit. Who is giving them credit? The people who have their money on deposit! Why don't you get something back from the bank for allowing this? You do if you keep your money in a savings account. They pay you interest. They are able to do this because they can use your money to make more money by charging interest on loans and credit cards.

Why not?

Careful he will call you a sheep! When the name calling starts you have allready lost any hope of rational discussion.

You created the debt. Don't come here and call people sheep when you paid

Which posting was this so I can look it up?

Scott McCrate NAR 71680

----------------------- I should have left well enough alone.

The only thing worse than arguing religion is arguing religion on rmr.

My own fault.

Go in peace, brothers (and sisters).

Hey Gang!

Check this load of crap out...

Click on the "fraud" link

Pretty funny. They prey on people not educated enough to know what they are being told is BS. Read the accounting on the home, the part about the bank ending up with $190,000 profit on your home after the sell the note.

They prey on the fact that the reader will be too stupid to do the accouting. Leaving out facts in the hopes that they will not know the right questions to ask.

Here is some of this load.....

DID YOU GET WHAT YOU BARGAINED FOR?

Here are some serious questions that the above scenario of a loan transaction naturally raises. Unless you have been living near a nuclear power plant for the past twenty years.

PRIMARY QUESTIONS

1.. Does the bank raise an asset to itself, in addition to the liability? 2.. Was this disclosed in the contract? 3.. Was I compensated for the bank using my note, and my signature, to raise this asset to the bank? 4.. Was this account containing the asset for the bank, opened before the bank received my note? 5.. When I pay off the loan, who gets the asset the bank raised to itself, with my note? QUESTIONS DERIVED FROM PRIMARY QUESTIONS 1.. Is, there fraud Here? 2.. If there is fraud here, what are the damages? QUESTIONS THAT MAY LEAD TO THE DISCOVERY OF FRAUDULENT DAMAGES 3.. Was there inducement?(Advertising, Solicitation) 4.. What does the note represent? (Your promise to pay) 5.. Where will you derive the funds to pay? (From your labor) 6.. Is your labor, your property? (Duh! ) 7.. How many years will you be paying on this note? (5, 10, 15, 30) 8.. What is the interest rate? (8%, 10%, 12%) 9.. Is that interest rate compounded annually, monthly, weekly, or daily? 10.. What is the actual rate of interest? (25-50% ) 11.. Does this violate the Usury Laws? (12% or higher annual interest rate) 12.. Was this disclosed in the contract as required by the Federal Usury Disclosure Act? 13.. Did the bank raise an asset to itself on your hand written name? (Without your knowledge and consent) 14.. Did the bank use the note first (before) you received your loan, to raise the funds for the loan? (Did they sell it, or use it for collateral for a loan from another institution) 15.. Does this make the note a negotiable instrument? (Tendering a future earnings instrument for consideration to a third party and endorsing, "without recourse.") 16.. Did the bank properly apply the proceeds from your note to the purported debt? 17.. What did the bank do with those proceeds? (Look at the building) 18.. Who else is deriving a benefit from your note, (and hand written name) without your knowledge or consent? 19.. Have you been damaged? You will have to decide if there is fraud here. But, if you get a Complaint to Foreclose your Mortgage and you do not answer and dispute every allegation, then you must counterclaim. What do you think a good counterclaim might be?

So how is this one any different than the same scheme as shown at

except that they have put a very heavy religious bent to the whole scam? Read their site and let us know if it isn't exactly the same scam in different wrapper...and those folks

*do* also talk about "erasing your mortgage".

You are being (have been?) taken, and they are hoping that you can get a whole bunch of other suckers to fall for it before it all collapses, leaving you and other 'distributors' holding the bag, legally and financially.

BTW, I found *that* site by doing a Google search for "monetize your signature" (with the quotes); without the quotes you wind up getting a whole slew of other scams.