USR vs Aerotech

You have to be approved by the existing members or there has to be a "catagory" of member not already represented. There are already THREE "associations". TRA, NAR and HPRMADA which is ONE GUY who refuses applications for members from manufacturers and dealers.

HPRMADA = High Power Rocketry Manufacturer's And Dealers Association. Ever heard of it before? Most manufacturers and dealers have not :)

Jerry

That's very funny.

OK, so what's your next guess?

1 Tim Collins

2 Fred Brennon

3 _____________

And please folks, no help from the studio audience.

Are You a member?

there are a few fire officials. How "local" they are depends on where you live.

Jose R. Colon, Connecticut Dpt of Public Safety, Bureau of State Fire Marshal Alternate: Mark C. Orellana, City of Willoughby Fire Department

Robert J. James City of Bloomington, Fire Prevention

John Kitchens City of Los Angeles Fire Department

Peter M. Lamb, Town of Newport Fire-EMS Alternate: Alfred J. Hogan, Reedy Creek Improvement District

Dan Westcott, Gadsden Fire Department Alternate: Gerald D. Ward, Bethany Fire & Protection District

Diane Arend, Office of the State Fire Marshal, California Dpt of Forestry & Fire Protection

- iz

None of them are on the rocket caucus or on the pyro specific committee.

sounds like a "stranglehold" to me!

- iz

Jerry Irv> >

No way to be sure until someone tries. Has ARSA or any other organization tried to get a seat on the NFPA? And what about certifying authorities? Has any other group asked for recognition as a certifying authority?

Until someone tries these things and is rejected, it's premature (at best) to claim there is a "stranglehold".

What does Ted Nugent have to do with it? ;)

I can't speak to the "rocket caucus", but here's the pyro committee members as published (they include the above members)

from

Technical Committe on Pyrotechnics pp. 153-155

--- Chair --- James K. Lathrop [SE] Koffel Associates, Inc.

--- Secretary --- Kenneth L. Kosanke [SE] PyroLabs, Incorporated

--- Principal --- Dane Boles [M] Quest Aerospace, Division of Marvel Enterprises, Inc. (Alternate: Bill Stine)

Richard Bowes [RT] Canadian Explosives Research Lab/CANMET (Alternate: Ettore Contestabile)

W. G. Bulifant, III [U] Dominion Fireworks, Inc. (Alternate: Tad A. Trout)

Jose R. Colon [E] Connecticut Department of Public Safety, Bureau of State Fire Marshal (Alternate: Mark C. Orellana)

John A. Conkling [SE]

Randall W. A. Davidson [SE] Risk International & Associates

Vernon Estes [SE] (Alternate: Arthur H. Barber)

Gary A. Fadorsen [IM] Pyrotech International Inc.

Felix J. (Phil) Grucci [M] Fireworks by Grucci, Inc. (Alternate: Felix J. Grucci)

Garry Hanson [M] Precocious Pyrotechnics, Inc. (Alternate: Kevin T. Brueckner)

Lansden E. Hill, Jr. [U] E. E. Hill & Son, Inc./Pyro Shows (Alternate: H. Stephen Frantz)

Robert J. James [E] City of Bloomington, Fire Prevention

Bruce E. Kelly [U] (Alternate: Scott Bartel)

John Kitchens [E] City of Los Angeles Fire Department

Gerald R. Laib [SE] US Department of the Navy Naval Surface Warfare Center, Indian Head Division (Alternate: Charles P. Weeth)

Peter M. Lamb [E] Town of Newport Fire-EMS (Alternate: Alfred J. Hogan)

J. Patrick Miller [U] Hardin-Simmons University (Alternate: Mark B. Bundick)

David J. Pier [M] MP Associates, Incorporated (Alternate: Larry Mars)

Michael W. Platt [M] High Power Rocket Manufacturing Dealers Assn.

Mary Roberts [M] Estes Industries

Gary C. Rosenfield [M] Industrial Solid Propulsion Inc.

David S. Shatzer [E] US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms Explosives Study Group (Alternate: Brennan S. Phillips)

James R. Souza [U] Pyro Spectaculars, Inc. (Alternate: Gary E. Brown)

John R. Steinberg [U] Pyrotechnics Guild International, Inc. (Alternate: Steve A. Coman)

Dan Westcott [E] Gadsden Fire Department (Alternate: Gerald D. Ward)

--- Voting Alternate --- Diane Arend [E] California Department of Forestry & Fire Protection Office of the State Fire Marshal

Patrick C. Ferguson [U]

Julie L. Heckman [M] American Pyrotechnics Association

Lawrence Weinman [M] Luna Tech/Schneier-Weinman Consultants

--- Alternate --- Arthur H. Barber, III [SE] (Principal: Vernon Estes)

Scott Bartel [U] Black Sky Research (Principal: Bruce E. Kelly)

Gary E. Brown [U] Pyro Spectaculars, Inc. (Principal: James R. Souza)

Kevin T. Brueckner [M] Fireworks and Stage FX America, Inc. (Principal: Garry Hanson)

Mark B. Bundick [U] First Chicago Capital Markets (Principal: J. Patrick Miller)

Steve A. Coman [U] RES Specialty Pyrotechnics Inc. (Principal: John R. Steinberg)

Ettore Contestabile [RT] Canadian Explosives Research Lab/CANMET (Principal: Richard Bowes)

H. Stephen Frantz [U] Western Enterprises, Inc. (Principal: Lansden E. Hill)

Felix J. Grucci, Jr. [M] Fireworks by Grucci, Inc. (Principal: Felix J. 'Phil' Grucci)

Alfred J. Hogan [E] Reedy Creek Improvement District (Principal: Peter M. Lamb)

Larry Mars [M] MP Associates, Inc. (Principal: David J. Pier)

Mark C. Orellana [E] City of Willoughby Fire Department (Principal: Jose R. Colon)

Brennan S. Phillips [E] US Department of Justice Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco & Firearms Explosives Technology Branch (Principal: David S. Shatzer)

Bill Stine [M] Quest Aerospace, A Division of Toy Biz, Inc. (Principal: Dane Boles)

Tad A. Trout [U] American Promotional Events, Inc. dba TNT Fireworks (Principal: W. G. Bulifant)

Gerald D. Ward [E ] Bethany Fire & Protection District (Principal: Dan Westcott)

Charles P. Weeth [SE] Weeth & Associates, LLC (Principal: Gerald R. Laib)

--- Nonvoting --- Joseph A. Domanico [RT] US Department of the Army Edgewood Chemical & Biological Center Beach Point Road Aberdeen Proving Ground, MD

Rosemary Veigel Cooper [E] US Department of Labor Occupational Safety & Health Administration

Gary Zeller Zeller International

--- Staff Liaison --- Guy R. Colonna National Fire Protection Association ===

- iz

Fire Marshal

He counts as ONE.

He counts but keep in mind rockets are banned entirely from LA. And fireworks have the most restrictive access methods in CA.

Note no alternate. This guy is a one man show to increase the TRA voting block by one seat. Inertia. It has been that way for many years.

J350 lover :) Head Keystone Cop!

Building code guy?

Counts

Counts

U.S. Rockets was refused a seat by the NFPA liason for "sport rocketry".

CAR

No others have risen to the occasion and IAR and IEAS both seem to have a hands off policy despite offers to fully fund and equip any such effort.

MDRA claims to have the capability but they have direct ties with TRA so that would be "unhelpful".

Jerry

Please do so...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

They have for Quest and MRC before that.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

You miss the point. Being a Canadian manufacturer, they wouldn't need a permit from the BATFE... But TRA regs require it.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

But a Canadian can't get one...

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

As am I. But TRA regs seem to require an LEMP and nothing but.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

I hope it was clear that I never meant to imply anything different than you folks being in full compliance with the law. Just that it would be absurd to require you to have an LEMP.

Ssorry about that. I dis a web search and found it both ways. We'll add your name to Brant Stine Arcas et al.

Bob Kaplow NAR # 18L TRA # "Impeach the TRA BoD" >>> To reply, remove the TRABoD!

Precisely.

Jerry-mandering.