Death nell of Nitro??

After seeing the education systems in other countries I tend to agree. Other countries realize the world is still playing survival of the fittest. Their schools reflect this. Kids know they need to do well if they want to survive. Unfortunately, we try so hard with programs like "no child left behind" that we turn our school system into survival of the weakest. Good teachers are stuck spending time on kids who don't get it, don't want to get it, and never will get it. Sadly, many of their parents don't get it either, but are quick to blame the school for their (and their kid's) failure. A basic education should be available to every kid, but the best resources should go to those who really want to learn.

I am not at all lazy Paul, I already knew the answer. Obviously you did not and failed to verify what you were saying.

Wrong.

Accoring to the Buell.com website, Erik Buell owns a minority interest an H-D owns the remainer. Being majority owner oes not mean you "own all of" a company. It means you own more than

50% of the company.

Hmmm, the information isn't in synch. Here's an excerpt from the most recent HD financial report (2003):

"The consolidated financial statements include the accounts of Harley-Davidson, Inc. and all of its subsidiaries (the Company), including the accounts of the group of companies doing business as Harley-Davidson Motor Company (hdmc), Buell Motorcycle Company (bmc) and Harley-Davidson Financial Services, Inc. (hdfs). The Company?s subsidiaries are wholly owned except for its joint venture with Porsche ag, of which the Company owns a 51% share.The accounts of the joint venture with Porsche AG are included in the Company?s consolidated financial statements with an appropriate adjustment reflecting Porsche AG?s interest in operating results and net assets."

Maybe Erik does own a little piece of Buell, maybe not. In the end, it doesn't matter, the important thing is Paul was completely wrong :-)

I would expect nothing less of a staunch republican...

Unfortunately, we try so hard with programs like

So that's where C O Jones gets it all from!

"Paul McIntosh" wrote in message news:4235cec5$0$5728$ snipped-for-privacy@ptn-nntp-reader02.plus.net...

Not true...they did it because that is where the market is going. The VR1000 was a dismal failure..

"Sport Pilot"

SNIP

But that is the kind of bike he was talking about. Also AAMOF I do know what one is and for a road bike it would work quite nicely for a diabetic.

8^) Granted he'd have to get something so pedestrian as a Harley to not look like a doofus. You can also get a kit so that you can kick start a Harley...granted with an FI system the benefit of kick starting.(you know starting a bike with a dead battery) Heck if I wanted to I'm SURE that I could use the kick start lever from a 75' or 76' GL1000 for my 79' the port is still there and the engagement bolt never changed.

Yep, of course it's all quality brushless, LiPo, ESC, Charger, etc. From now on every electric I do I'll have to do the brushless motor, ESC, and LiPo packs. I was talking about *my* start up costs.

"Sport Pilot" wrote

To capture a larger/different market segment? I don't keep up with Harleys, as you can tell.

A friend of mine has Harleys and he shares the experience with me. So far, I have found that satisfying enough to keep me from buying my own.

Right now, if I had that kind of money to blow, I would buy the most fuel efficient car that I could find that had an automatic transmission and air conditioning. I have a feeling that gasoline is going to get very, very expensive. I hope I am wrong.

Ed Cregger

"Ed Forsythe" wrote

You may be right, Ed. I'm just another old fart with a dream...

While it is true that many youngsters do not think as we do/did, it could be that they are adapting to using the tools that are available to them. Perhaps what we see as a lack of education is merely the affectations of a different education.

Lots of the youngsters can do much better with computers than I, even though I have been a computer hobbyist since the early eighties. Where can one go today to get away from computers/microprocessors? They are everywhere.

One day folks will laugh at we codgers that had to manually calculate square roots, use slide rules and tote log tables around on the job.

Ed Cregger

RCFlyr Wrote: Oh yes, Lucas, prince of darkness!!

Oh, yes. That's the only thing that matters! ;^)

If that is where the market is going (for the last 20 years or so) why are they continuing with the air-cooled engines? Those don't need watercooling when they only produce 50hp per litre!

If you want efficiency, buy one of the VW turbo diesels while they are still available. Extreme durability and 40-50mpg. Mine has 175,000 miles on it and shows no sign of its age.

OK, but that also means that HD doesn't own all of HD. What matters is that HD calls the shots at Buell. Minority shareholders can do nothing unless the majority share holder owns less than 50% and the minority shareholders can agree to outvote the majority shareholders.

"Paul McIntosh" wrote

Thanks for the suggestion. I am going to look into it. I have a thing for German technology/vehicles anyway.

Are they being phased out of production? What is the replacement? Another diesel?

Ed Cregger

"Paul McIntosh" wrote in message news:42369626$0$548$ snipped-for-privacy@ptn-nntp-reader03.plus.net...

They did it to inculcate the older riders to the fact that water cooling is needed and to bring in newer riders. Look Paul, you don't like Harley's and have many assumptions about them...at least a Harley is more reliable than a Ducati and holds up better than Cagvia.

Motorcycles are like model airplanes...there's the latest greatest, there's tried and true and you just ought to ride/fly what makes you smile. The fun thing is to get your stuff from the fashion crowd that bought what the sell you because they thought it was cool but now there is something better(supposedly)

"Ed Forsythe" wrote in message news: snipped-for-privacy@giganews.com...

8^) Ed, cowboy up and have another cup of espresso...skip the sugar this time m'kay? That stuff goes straight to the gut.